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Post by Alec Schafer on Nov 14, 2016 12:16:11 GMT -6
abcnews.go.com/Sports/mike-evans-protests-president-elect-donald-trump-sitting/story?id=43513318In this article, Mike Evans (player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) protest where he stays seated during the national anthem during Sundays game vs the Chicago Bears is brought to light. Unlike Colin Kaepernick's anthem protest where he took a kneel because of the discrimination of African-Americans by police, Mike Evans did not stand because he does not like the outcome of the 2016 presidential election, where Republican nominee Donald Trump won the election, but lost the popular vote. Evans explains his reasoning here "It's not about the Republican Party or the Democratic Party or anything like that. It's just who he is. It's well-documented what he's done. I'm not going to stand for something I don't believe in. That's the end of that." This relates to what we've been studying in class with our discussing of the electoral college and how it is possible for a candidate to lose the popular vote but win the election. We know that certain states citizens have more voting power that others (Ex: Wyoming vs California) In my opinion, athletes should not be taking a political stance during a game. Sports are sports and politics are politics. This was also a very inappropriate time to be seated during the national anthem, with Veterans day 2 days prior this protest. I also disagree with the protest of Donald Trumps presidency both in this instance and around the nation. Weather people like it or not, Trump won the election fair and square and people should not be such sore losers and if they really want to change that, they should be gathering support for the next election instead of whining about what is already said and done.
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Post by Megan Reinke on Nov 14, 2016 22:18:43 GMT -6
Response to Alec Schafer's post regarding Mike Evans:
When reading this article I only lose respect for Mike Evans. I am disappointed in "stars" like Mike Evans who know they have little fans looking up to them and fail to be a positive role model. I clearly understand many in this country are upset with the turn out of the election, but there is nothing we can do about it. If Mike Evans strongly wanted to protest and voice his opinion on Donald Trump as president, I wish he could have done it in a more professional way. There is no reason he needed to show disrespect to our Veterans by not standing during the National Anthem. What is even worse was that it was a game dedicated to honor the Veterans and he deliberately chose not to. The National Anthem has very little correlation to who our president is at the time. At no point during it in past years did "Obama" cross my mind nor will "Trump" in the future. As both a Democrat and a Republican, I believe both parties can see negatives of this outcome. Although, as we cannot change it, the United States needs to embrace this change. We need to search for the positives and find some good that could possibly come out of it. I believe this is a time for us as individual, normal citizens to step up and make a change. We determine the world we live in and the government we are governed by. I encourage everyone to be the change they want to see occur in this world.
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Post by Spencer Roach on Nov 17, 2016 20:20:29 GMT -6
In response to Alec Schafer's post about Mike Evans, I think it's incredibly disrespectful to the country, to his fans, and to the Veterans of this country. I understand that Evans is disappointed about the outcome of the election but that in no way gives him the reason not to stand for the Pledge. As Alec stated, instead of protesting then at the game during the Pledge, just do it on your own time and not be disrespectful about it. An example of this would be what the Des Moines high schools did and gather in front of their school, link arms and protest in a peaceful manner that is not disrespectful to people. People need to understand that Trump won the election fair and square, we need to be open minded and give the guy a chance to lead and see what he can do.
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Post by Jenna Jones on Nov 20, 2016 22:42:56 GMT -6
Trump: Pence 'harassed' by 'Hamilton' cast www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/politics/mike-pence-hamilton-musical/index.htmlThis article shares how the cast of the Broadway musical 'Hamilton' called out Vice President-elect, Mike Pence, after their performance Friday night. Performer, Brandon Dixon, asked Pence to listen as he was walking out of the theater. Pence stopped to hear what they had to say. Dixon shared how the cast of 'Hamilton' was nervous that Trump and Pence will not protect their rights as a "diverse group" of people. He explained his hope that the show they performed would encourage Pence to work to protect everyone. The next morning Trump shared his thoughts on twitter claiming that Pence was "harassed" and the cast was "very rude". Trump was not the only one to share his thought. Stevie Van Zandt, guitarist from Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band, also shared how he thought the statement Dixon made was a form of "bullying". Dixon responded to Trumps tweets questioning the President-elect's definition of 'harassment' claiming that he was having a conversation and no one was being harassed. Sam Rudy, a publicist of the Broadway show, backed Dixon and said it was a "polite request" and that she couldn't see how the actors message could be taken as rude. This event relates to freedom of speech which is what we are currently learning about in class. The argument is whether or not the speech that Dixon gave would be considered harassment. This event has been shared all over social media and many people expressed their opinions on the topic. Having a twitter myself I witness many opinions on this topic. Although I do agree with Zandt that people shouldn't have to worry about being called out when they are just trying to enjoy the show, I personally don't believe Dixon's speech was harassment. It may have been an inappropriate time to address the casts opinions, but I think they have the right to share their thoughts and worries. To me, the statement Dixon gave was not rude or harassing Pence. After watching the video I saw that Dixon came across politely and didn't seem to be attacking anyone. As future leaders of the United States I think Trump and Pence need to be open to hearing the worries of the people without claiming they are being harassed. I wonder if Pence has made any comments on his thoughts of the event as the article didn't cover any comments from him. |
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Post by Rachel Eshuis on Nov 22, 2016 9:53:02 GMT -6
This is a controversial topic. Some believe that the cast shouldn't have called Pence out like that, and some say it was perfectly acceptable. I personally think that the cast could have waited and gone to Pence after the audience had been dismissed. People shouldn't have to worry about getting called out like that in a crowd when they just went to enjoy a show, but I can understand why the cast felt the need to say that. They didn't seem to mean any disrespect and Pence willingly stopped and listened to what they had to say to them.
I believe the booing crowd as he walked in was more rude than the cast calling him out. People should have more respect for those elected into the presidency even if it wasn't their candidate. I believe the crowd could have had a little more self-control than what they showed. This especially since they are adults and should be setting good examples for the younger generations. They need to get over the fact that they lost the election and respect the fact that they can't really do anything to change the outcome.
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Post by Cassidy Long on Nov 22, 2016 12:43:02 GMT -6
In response to Jenna's article, "Trump: Pence 'harassed' by 'Hamilton' cast, I personally believe that the cast was just trying to get their beliefs across to Mike Pence, and he took advantage of the opportunity while he had it. However, I also believe that they should have talked to Mike Pence in private rather than in front of a crowd. Although Donald Trump was accusing the cast and specific cast members of harassment, I believe that by calling them out, that he was harassing them by doing so.
I believe that everybody was trying to get their beliefs and feelings across to others, but it should have been approached a different way. The cast members did not mean any harm to Mike Pence, they just thought they would miss the opportunity if they hadn't talked to them in that moment. For Donald Trump however, I think that he should not have pointed anyone out through social media, and that he took things too far. While he was upset about upcoming Vice President Mike Pence allegedly getting harassed, he was the one doing the harassment towards the cast of Hamilton.
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Post by Kayla Grenier on Nov 22, 2016 14:39:17 GMT -6
In response to Jenna’s Article “Trump: Pence 'harassed' by 'Hamilton' cast,” I personally believe this news is in a way, irrelevant. Calling Pence out was not needed, yet it is an event that occurs all the time. This has been blown out of proportion by Trump’s tweets that accuse the cast of harassment and demanding an apology. I believe people that are still protesting the president-elect need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and do something productive instead of being disrespectful.
The article states that “Dixon, who urged the audience not to boo Pence, said the show was performed by "a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds and orientations.’” This clearly shows that the people who owe an apology to Pence are the audience and not the cast. I do however believe that the cast intentionally called Pence out in an inappropriate setting for media attention; Media attention is exactly what they are getting out of this stunt.
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Post by misty Jackson on Nov 26, 2016 12:04:03 GMT -6
In response to jenna's artical, Trump did infact say that the Hamilton cast Saturday of harassing Vice President-elect Mike Pence. Trump was very offended by the comment made, and made so comments about his feelings on twitter. It seems that Pence was not afended by the comment add to the end of the play. The comment was about being worried about the protection of rights for the deverse america. I think that this is not something that needed to not happen because I think that it could have been misconsrued as a personal attack, but i do think it was somethinking that needed to be said on behave of the community. I also think that trump was more offended by his own personal feelings.
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Post by Abby Smith on Nov 27, 2016 15:34:45 GMT -6
In response to Jenna's article...
This article is stating how newly vise president, Mike Pence, was being "verbally attacked" by a Broadway member. The member accused him that in the future he will not respect and protect their rights. Trump later put on social media that this was wrong and was very upset about the situation. Personally, I do believe that this was not right for this Broadway member to call Pence out like he did. It can very well be a form of harassment and bullying. However, the way Trump publicized this situation on twitter to me seemed to be a very unprofessional act. Perhaps, if Trump actually was upset as much as he expressed, he would of dealt with it in a more professional manner besides tweeting about it. It could lead others to think it isn't as much of a big deal as it may be, leading to possible other situations such as this one in the future.
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Post by Chase Van Blair on Nov 27, 2016 16:15:33 GMT -6
Responding to Jenna's article, I don't think the cast of the Hamilton were in the wrong to voice their opinion on Pence/Trump in the way they did, and Pence responded correctly by politely stopping to listen to them on his way out. However, I feel like it was not good that the crowd loudly booed Pence upon his arrival. Granted, some audience members cheered but I feel like he should be left alone in public he was just trying to watch a play not push his opinion on anyone or anything like that. Also the night it happened I saw on twitter people saying that he didn't deserve to go to a play like that just because of his beliefs etc. So in a way I agree that Pence was harassed at the play, just not by the cast themselves, peacefully voicing their opinion.
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Post by misty jackson on Nov 27, 2016 16:47:59 GMT -6
Trump falsely claims 'millions of people who voted illegally' cost him popular vote www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/donald-trump-voter-fraud-popular-vote/index.htmlTrump believe thaat the demcrates had two million illegal votes and that is why he didnt win the popular vote, and only won the electoral vote. While Trump is making his feelings well know on twitter there was no evdiance of voter fraud. While Hillary and the green party want a recount Trump is compeletly against this idea. They thought there was a difference in paper votes verus electronic votes. Martin who is part of thr green party said he wasnts a, "reconciliation of paper records" which could potenially affect Wisconsin's repuation. Hillary took part in this so everything would be fair. I personally think that there is not recount needed because there is no evdence on voting fruad, so taking all the time, money, and effort is crazy to me. I also think that the only reason they want a recount is for personally reasons. |
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Post by Benjamin Heimer on Nov 27, 2016 20:06:04 GMT -6
In response to Misty's article I believe Trump is not crazy for wanting a recount of the popular vote. When Donald Trump was announced as the future president of the United States a lot of people were stunned. Losing the popular vote but still winning the presidency has only happened a handful of times, so when Trump won by a bigger margin then expected maybe there was fraud in the popular vote. However there is no evidence of voter fraud so Donald Trump's ego might be the cause for the call of a recount in some states.
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Post by Blake Kinsey on Nov 28, 2016 12:35:54 GMT -6
*This response is directed towards Jenna Jones' article post.* Throughout the journal, I was expecting Mike Pence to act as the morally insufficient person the media that I watch makes him out to be. However, the civil, level-headed man turned out to be more considerate than his own personal beliefs. I'm not a supporter of Trump-Pence by any means, I personally would rather support Vermin Supreme, but Pence has swayed my opinion of him to a more positive degree. The vice president shouldn't be the mature one of the two, however, how Trump lashed out in a childish tantrum really showed his mindset when it comes to "insignificant" events like this. The more important events, much like the ones regarding foreign policy, I'm still not sure which of the two I'd prefer. As an example, Trump tweeted about Fidel Castro's death with a simple "Fidel Castro is dead!" Showing the joy of that could offend many Cuban citizens who see him as a positive governmental figure despite his ruthless dictatorship, soaked with gallons of blood. Trump is already walking on a tight rope when it comes to his international reputation.
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Post by Collin Maahs on Nov 28, 2016 17:01:06 GMT -6
This is a response to Misty's article. I find it interesting that the Democratic party is the least vocal in this situation. They are the ones who have all the reason to criticize the voting process, but it is what it is. It is even more interesting that Donald Trump is accusing illegal votes for the reason he lost the popular vote when he won the majority of electoral votes which puts him into the White House. I hope the president elect turns to a more fact base approach as he begins his term in office when he makes accusations/claims in the future. Also, his "railing" of the recount effort shows his consciousness for his loss in popular votes. However, I agree with him that a recount will likely not change anything and could be a waste of money. Lastly, this whole story brings to light the many possible issues with our voting system that is hopefully not corrupt with hacking.
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Post by Olivia Sandquist on Nov 29, 2016 11:09:15 GMT -6
This is a response to Misty's article. I don't understand why the republican party needs to say anything in regard to the recounts because the popular vote essentially doesn't matter. If anything they shouldn't want a recount because they would want to make sure they don't lose any electoral votes. Even if some of of the democratic votes are "illegal" Trump still has the most electoral votes to become president. Also, these recounts cost a lot of money, and if the outcome doesn't change, it could all be a waste of time and money. I don't believe that there is anything someone can do to change this outcome, and if votes are actually being hacked and changed, the system should be changed for the next election.
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